2009 MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt Auto looking to change the Engine Mounts.

The RHS Front Top is listed as a “Hydraulic Hybrid Mount” & a noted failure item.
The MAZDA 2 RHS Front Top Engine Mount gets VERY HOT each time car is driven, expect this hastens its demise.

2009 MAZDA2 DE AUTO MAZDA Genuine Parts:
No.3 Engine Mount D652-39-060H RIGHT FRONT TOP
No.1 Engine Mount D652-39-040 REAR
No.4 Engine Mount D652-39-070B TRANSMISSION LEFT TOP

All in $AUD
Dealer: $671, $254, $297 = $1,222
Genuine Parts Supplier 1: $402, $122, $162 + Shipping $80 = $768
Genuine Parts Supplier 2: $262, $105, $157 = $523

Expected MAZDA GENUINE Parts to be “Made in JAPAN"
HOWEVER….. on review of what is now available for the 15year MAZDA2, the reportedly MAZDA GENUINE Part Photos for both D652-39-060H RIGHT FRONT TOP & D652-39-040 REAR have “MADE IN CHINA on the Genuine Part Number Stickers”

Fig1 D652-39-060H RIGHT FRONT TOP MADE IN CHINA


Fig2 D652-39-040 REAR MADE IN CHINA

Where as D652-39-070B TRANSMISSION LEFT TOP still has “Made in JAPAN on the Genuine Part Number Sticker”

Fig3 D652-39-070B TRANSMISSION LEFT TOP MADE IN JAPAN

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After Market Brands available include: Kelpro, Mackay, Sterling, Trupro, Transgold, Boonma, FEBest, Turmak, ebay noname, amazon noname etc
WRT the After Market Engine Mounts, some provide a “RHS Front as Hydro Hybrid Mount”, some have a “Solid Rubber Only Mount”

All in $AUD
Kelpro from Sub Supplier: All three = $713 Where Made… Australia 2Yr or 40,000km Warranty? RHS Front is a Hydro Hybrid Mount.
Mackay: = $104, $110, $125 = $339 Made in Victoria Australia. RHS Front is a Hydro Hybrid Mount.
Stirling: $129, $100, $107 = $336 Made in Taiwan 12Mth Warranty. RHS Front is a Hydro Hybrid Mount.
FEBest: = $121, $72, $62 = $254 Where Made? could be Turkey, Dubai or the UAE
Turmak: All three = $159 Made in Taiwan 12Mth Warranty. RHS Front is a Hydro Hybrid Mount.
ebay some cheap, some not so cheap, most made in China

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Some say……
“Expect to replace Engine Mounts from between 5-7 years however outcome varies depending vehicle OEM & driving patterns/harshness, jack rabbit starts, shock loading & Track Days/Racing hastens their demise “
"For engine mounts this is one thing to go genuine IMHO…..for an unmodified and stock car, OEM is always the easiest and best, I generally find people with 130,000 – 180,000kms are looking at engine mounts as they have gone soft or cracked."
“Nobody ever enjoys hearing this…..But there are no good aftermarket mounts. Gotta go OEM if you expect good results.”
“If driven smoothly/gently, typical to replace engine mounts once in the “Nominal Ownership Lifespan of a new vehicle”….. “so use OEM because replacing with OEM is less likely to ever need replacing again.”

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Digging around……noted:

User 2 in Australian Operating Conditions with a 2010 MAZDA DE 1.5lt Auto advises:
“2019_07 installed three (3) of TruPro Engine Mounts RHS Front Mount was advertised as Solid Rubber “Non Hydro Hybrid Mount”
per:
“Trupro Features
1) Our High-Durometer Rubber
Our Mounts feature 50 Durometer (Street) or 80 Durometer (track) rubber with void-free and fluid free construction to decrease unwanted engine movement and improve mount durability.

2) High Strength Plastic Retaining Ring
Our Mounts utilise a high strength plastic retaining ring to prevent the Mount Halves from Separating

3) High Quality Steel Mount Bases
Our Engine Mounts are Manufactured in an ISO/TS16949 Certified Facility. Using OEM Production Techniques and improved Material Specifications. Our engine Mount Bases are made from steel for increased strength and to prevent cracking.”

2025_03 vibration returned so replaced all three (3) with 3 of "FEBest" Mounts”

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User 3 in Australian Operation Conditions with a 2008 MAZDA DE 1.5lt Auto advises:
“Feb 2021, I replaced the right side (engine) and left side (auto transmission) mounts with "'FEBest" brand engine mounts.
This solved the vibration issues at first but in mid 2023 the car is already back to having very bad vibrations, so the mounts don't seem to have held up too well.
…..”FEBest” brand not the best option, unless it's the only available (my case), have installed Transgold mounts second time around and they have been holding up much better”

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My thought is if “Made in JAPAN Genuine Parts” are no longer available then Best Option would be to select “Made in Taiwan After Market Parts”.

Noted MAZDA is a small car manufacturer in World Production (& it is not like Toyota where ASIN, DENSO etc are Subcomponent Suppliers & there are other “MADE in JAPAN Options” readily available).
The MAZDA 2 DE was reportedly only delivered to USA 2011 to 2014. In OZ the MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt was available 2007 to 2014.

Mackay has a good reputation in Oz.

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What have others used for MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt Auto Engine Mounts?
Any experience with MAZDA Genuine MADE IN CHINA Engine Mounts?
If you have used "Aftermarket MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt Auto Engine Mounts", What has been the life span (km/years)?
Are there "Aftermarket MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt Auto Engine Mounts" that are known poor performers or known good performers?
Thoughts?

Rob

 

wow! all over a mount?

This is a decades and I mean DECADES old topic about OEM and aftermarket parts quality!!! romlao

Mazda as well many have OEM manufactured parts made in different countries. If it states in some wording made to OEM specifications and sold in the USA then they pretty much are at least OEM quality. Lookk up advertising regulation for parts sold in the USA!!!!!! Now you or others can argue down this point but unless you work in an independent service shop a DIY really has no point of experience reference as to the quality comparing OEM directly from a dealer to those aftermarket parts that state manufactured to OEM specification. In the case of any mount how many have in their tool box a Durometer meter? lol And even if you did did you test a exact from the dealer part to an aftermarket part? This is regarding mounts!! So lets keep it on that part and not expand because then it gets into other disinformation and more non experienced.

We change at least one area of mount or more weekly in the shop and use manufactured in many countries both OEM from dealers and more from our parts distributors warehouse that last years without issues. In fact looking at out 5 year records under return warranty service using mounts as the part not one in over 462 mounts changed.

I could go on but IMHO this thread information and topic is just entertained and the OP makes me think of this song..

based information from DIY!

too much time on my hands styx - Search Videos

 

I can see you like a chat Callisto.

WRT "all over a mount"
=>> Sure, why not...for me it is about "Lowest Whole of Life Cycle Cost with maximum reliability" on the way to 450,000km, preferably without doing the engine mounts again. The roads are not salted here & its pretty dry, so provided fluids are changed & no accidents, perfectly doable.

WRT "We change at least one area of mount or more weekly in the shop and use manufactured in many countries both OEM from dealers and more from our parts distributors warehouse that last years without issues. In fact looking at out 5 year records under return warranty service using mounts as the part not one in over 462 mounts changed."
That is interesting, thankyou for the comment, it is after all "a No Bait Policy" Callisto
How long do your customers typically keep a car?
How many Mazda 2's in the 462?
What manufacturing location do the MAZDA Genuine Mounts identify in the USA?
Out of interest, given that SFAIAA the MAZDA2 was sold in USA between 2011 & 2014 ie just 4years, how many MAZDA2's come through your shop & what are the common problems you see with them?

As I said above:
"The RHS Front Top is listed as a “Hydraulic Hybrid Mount” & a noted failure item.
The MAZDA 2 RHS Front Top Engine Mount gets VERY HOT each time car is driven, expect this hastens its demise."
=>> Out of interest, I'll take the Mazda2 for a HWay run & then put a non contact thermometer on the RHS Front Top Mount, (I know I cannot leave my hand on it).

Chatted with a few Mech's in Independent shops, their opinion was Mazda 2 DE's seems hard on the RHS Front Top Engine Mount.

Everyone loves a song, maybe you will like this one:
I Wanna Be Me.....
youtube.com/watch?v=9DYsHq_qLfs

Rob

 

really no real empirical or quality information more or less what you can find to support your own beliefs and as for the shops you talked to none indicated by you to use a durometer to check their interesting but more like a DIY "theories".
Please try to explain how one goes to engineering designing and then choosing the parts like rubber or polyurethane and then to decide to stay with OEM durometer hardness or go lighter or more performance oriented to harder?
Maybe skip all that altogether and just go solid mounts? lol

Did you even check with any manufacturing company and ask them question about their products?
Or how about parts distributors to ask about their sales on any one specific part number? maybe you could ask about the percentage of warranty returns....

Nope to all... just more unorganized posting that is now your style here and we are all getting use to it.

Its fine like the many beaches in the world we all take a little home when visiting in the form like this thread information a grain of sand .

 

Callisto,
To call out your behaviour noted you have tried it on with Others as well.

In general you provide informed useful information or items to consider, however your “Derogatory Approach” is disappointing on a public forum.

When asked a direct specific question your response goes to something else.

It is best not to make Assumptions & worth remembering that an inclusive, friendly & helpful forum encourages people to contribute.

An active inclusive, friendly & helpful forum is what we should be creating.

Its a no Bait policy.

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Per: mazdaforum.com/forum/mazda2-53/mazda-2-de-1-5lt-obd2-pids-53403/
Re: "On some forums we actually have a couple of educated and trained and experienced Service Technicians."
If that is the case & you are one of those, pleased to meet you. I am sure we will get on well as the DIY section expands.
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Rob

 

Just want say member that are DIY are one reason as a rule I rarely reply in any thread that the power plant is a diesel .
And not because I know little about them. I am current L2 certified.


Well … DIY section is always fun and entertaining to me .In decades on any forum they don’t and will never expand much more then they currently are and have been .
This four is actually publicly available but privately owned. Think about that when you and others make comments about individuals manors that do not Aline with yours.

And to the last yes I am and so much so .. well earned and very costly over decades . So when I choose to help members on forums I speak frankly and to the point. Most appreciate this help but there will always be those few that make derogatory comments about my posting style.

Funny in the real car world not the internet most all of us basically talk like this . Why should I change my way of talking just because it is on the on the Internet forum.

BTW conservatively speaking on all vehicle forums the true professionals in the Automotive Industry my guess based on many forum I belong to and no I don’t participate on all of them , there’s is less then 5 true Automotive Certified mechanics and only 2 certified Automotive Technicians. If you talk to any in this profession they all say they don’t bother with forum mainly because of DIY.

I like helping people , but I also like the entertainment of some DIY.


Lastly while I can understand your questions to qualify my statements about mounts and you trying to separate the mount on your year and model MAZDA, I hate to tell ya but there are common factors regarding all mounts. And your Mazda is no different. Service shops make wild claims about say one mount going bad more often than others. So be it but they don’t look at all the enfluence factors and easily Blair the mount.

So to toss this in that kind of BS … I engineer mounts and even have a few that are sold under a very well known company. I won’t claim they last substantially longer then others of its type but they are made for specific application and intended use.
That said I know exactly why those mounts fail and it is an easy fix. But there is no market to offer upgrade mounts . So you and others that have that model and year Mazda are just going to have to live with only getting less then 6 years and about 45k miles before they start show begging signs of failing ultimately failing altogether.

If you hang around long enough and see some of my own Mazda projects , you may wonder why I don’t offer them. It’s simple many ideas I have that I may want to produce I talk to my market or, he determines if they will reach distribution. With Mazda the aftermarket parts is so saturated for me it will never happen.
Also because of some countries the reverse engineer products and with very little a manufacturer can do to protect this many like myself just say fu*k it and don’t go to the trouble selling them. I still have many products that as of yet have not been copied and sold but that only may be because of the limited market.

oh this will just kill ya, I have a few performance mounts I designed for another platform that are sold worldwide.


I know it is not in the book authored by Sun Tzu Art of War ( know your enemy) but you and a few other newer maybe older members before you start ripping on any members way of responding on a thread or questing their knowledge and experience is to explore their profile. Look at threads they started and randomly look at several threads they participated on before making which is usually a bad assumption about them . In your case looked at all 47 responses , 12 threads started as well your limited profile.