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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 11:47 AM
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The oil you mention does lubricate the part you mention but your volume passed on to the combustion chamber is all wrong if the parts mention are not damaged or worn out. And if that amount was contaminating the oil sump it would show in higher emission and much darker color oil. As for carbon well here again if the parts are not worn the small amount of oil that actually gets into the combustion chamber is less likely to build and significantly notice or concerning amount of carbon. Naturally for the purpose of this forum I am stating fats on Mazda currently built Skyactiv engines. Although this has been a pretty standard fact for most production engine (I said most) since about 2000.

Now my cumbustion chamber and pistons are virtually pretty much carbon free. But then I clean the intake valve stem and back, combustion chamber and tops of piston at least once a month when we travel 2 hours one way on the highway at average 70mph to visit my son and grandkids

Oh and I clean my spark plugs about the same or when I just feel I should, engine idling and at operating temperature and I manually activate my N2o for about 5 seconds . Clean them up so well they look new out of the box .

Getting back to your observation of your oil in your option looking dark I would get it analyzed and see exactly what you’re seeing.It just could be something as simple and common as heat.
Thanks for your reply and answer. I did mention at a microscopic level. I'm not sure if the amount of oil being burned. As a tablespoon or 2 would not even be measurable. I bet some of these people on the forum with higher oil usage would be ecstatic about only burning a tablespoon or 2 per oil change. 😊
 
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vroom Vroom
Thanks for your reply and answer. I did mention at a microscopic level. I'm not sure if the amount of oil being burned. As a tablespoon or 2 would not even be measurable. I bet some of these people on the forum with higher oil usage would be ecstatic about only burning a tablespoon or 2 per oil change. 😊
I know it does not seem that that amount is much but if during my time owning a perforce engine machine shop if any engine, I built used that much oil after several thousand miles there is something I did less the best during the machining and assembling of the engine? It is a lot of oil you can except that and believe it or not. The oil control rings the type of hone on the cylinders, the valve stem seal is all engineered and installed to control less than a faction of what your are suggesting.

Now I can totally understand that you can keep thinking your volume, but it would show if anywhere else on their spark plugs. 95% of people do not even really know how to read a spark plug and those posted charts are over 75 years old. LOL

My suggestion is pull a head on an engine that has been compression and leak down tested to be close to the high end of the specification and examine the head and the cylinder walls. If the parts are all doing their job you wont even feel a film on the cylinder walls or anywhere around the valve guides. PERIOD!
If you don't want to do that then get an EGA (exhaust gas analyzer) stick it up the tail pipe and see what the readings are. If oil is present it is going to show in the analysis of the exhaust in a raised hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide levels
 
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 02:59 PM
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I am not quoting any one particular members
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Microscopic level of oil remaining in the combustion chambers... lol
I raise you.... Plateau honing with plasma ceramic total seal rings LOL
Look it was a nice thought on your part but honestly you are reaching now. It is clear that you do not even understand how pistons rings specifically oil control rings work. It is also clear that you have no idea how valve stem seal and guides work either. So, you can continue to be responded with your interesting thoughts and maybe you might change the minds of other that also believe in a Flat earth but in the big picture I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish at this point.
And I am even not sure how one would go about to measure the amount of oil left in a completely drained engine to see many aspects of measurements. What IMHO a useless task to write a technical article on?

In my teens I once one time ground and polished the complete valley of a small block Chevy thinking that it would return the oil faster to the sump. Then someone asked me why would every drop (1-2 spoonful of oil) matter. After I spent perhaps 70+ plus hours grinding and polishing I honestly could not think of a legitimate reason just that no one did it and it made sense to me. I finally came up with the answer why I did it and everyone knowing me understood it. Cuz no one did it and it looks "KOOL"!
I have the pictures...
 

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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Callisto
I am not quoting any one particular members
This way no one can feel butt hurt!


Microscopic level of oil remaining in the combustion chambers... lol
I raise you.... Plateau honing with plasma ceramic total seal rings LOL
Look it was a nice thought on your part but honestly you are reaching now. It is clear that you do not even understand how pistons rings specifically oil control rings work. It is also clear that you have no idea how valve stem seal and guides work either. So, you can continue to be responded with your interesting thoughts and maybe you might change the minds of other that also believe in a Flat earth but in the big picture I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish at this point.
And I am even not sure how one would go about to measure the amount of oil left in a completely drained engine to see many aspects of measurements. What IMHO a useless task to write a technical article on?

In my teens I once one time ground and polished the complete valley of a small block Chevy thinking that it would return the oil faster to the sump. Then someone asked me why would every drop (1-2 spoonful of oil) matter. After I spent perhaps 70+ plus hours grinding and polishing I honestly could not think of a legitimate reason just that no one did it and it made sense to me. I finally came up with the answer why I did it and everyone knowing me understood it. Cuz no one did it and it looks "KOOL"!
I have the pictures...
Cool. Sorry bro for my ignorance. You rock.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2025 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Callisto
when you drop your pan I suspect you will be a supporter of servicing. While you are there wipe the valve body and you can use Wd40 . Remember it is a solvent and will not harm the transmission in the small amount of residue that remains after using it to clean .

I would also recommend to replace the stock ring magnet with a Neodymium ring magnet.

Do not use sealer use a pan gaskit .

Just want to reinforce the transmission service advice to Vroom Vroom. I did two drain and fills on our 3 sport before the filter change and the blue oil was anything but blue. After the filter change and cleaning the pan and magnet i had a big improvement in color and shifting. If your kit has a gasket use it and a torque wrench.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2025 | 05:03 AM
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I had the transmission pan off my CX-5, three maybe four times during my ownership. Each time I refitted it I used genuine Mazda sealant, no gasket. Never had a problem.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2025 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by grim_reaper
I had the transmission pan off my CX-5, three maybe four times during my ownership. Each time I refitted it I used genuine Mazda sealant, no gasket. Never had a problem.
Yes but you are a professional
Heck for me I just seem to get sealer on everything....





 

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Old Jan 28, 2025 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Callisto
Yes but you are a professional
Heck for me I just seem to get sealer on everything....


 
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Old Jan 28, 2025 | 10:40 AM
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Old Feb 3, 2025 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Vroom Vroom
Hello. I have a new 2023 CX5 signature turbo. Love it. Runs awesome. No problems. I changed the oil at 1100. Then at 5k. And around 3500-4300 miles since. I just changed the oil at 4300 today. It was pretty dirty. I have been using the Mazda filter for the Turbo, (1WPY-14-302, didn't want to use the value filter). I have been using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, (this oil has allot of detergents). Also car has only 15k. Checked the air filter and it was not that dirty at all.
So I have a theory. The oil with it's detergents are actually cleaning the combustion chamber very efficiently. You know, being direct injection and all. Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe it's actually cleaning the combustion chamber and turbo really well. Does anybody agree with this theory?
Thanks for any response.
This sounds normal - for a turbo which in effect uses the engine oil to cool the turbo- thus engine oil goes thru the turbo which gets very hot and desecrates the oil more rapidly than non-turbo combustion engines. If you are spooling the turbo frequently and drive aggressively it can shorthen oil life quickly --- If you treat your vehicle well , allowing turbo cool down after spirited driving and perform frequent oil/filter changes -you should be fine - I wouldnt be concerned about blow-by or oil leaking past the rings with this young of an engine. If you see a loss of a quart after low mileage ( 3000 ) oil changes - then you may have cause to be concerned - Keep performing the engine oil / filter service - There appears to be a few people on the net that like taking shots at Mazda and exaggerating reports of burning oil in these high compression skyactive engines at low mileage -- If you break it in correctly you should have no issues as these engines are what make Mazdas great - Theres a few others in here going off topic into transmission services - which I will not reply to because it creates confusion and is why we try to stay on topic --in this case - dirty engine oil - Remember Mazda dropped the compression in the turbos 10:1 from 13:1 usa -- because when the turbo comes on it increases pressure in the head by as much as 17:1 and thats one reason the turbo engines take more stress -- keep that in mind if you seek longevity
 

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