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protegedon
9/30/2007 10:55:30 PM
This post is to solicit the opinions of readers regarding the choice of spark plug for their Mazda. Have you installed new plugs in your vehicle? If so, what is the year, model and mileage of your Mazda and what brand and model of plug did you choose? If you chose a plug other than the OEM plug, what was your experience with the plug you chose and would you recommend it to others?

I have a 2003 Protege DX, 2.0 L, Non-Turbo, with 30,000 miles on it. Just replaced the plugs for the first time with Bosch Platinum Ir Fusion. Thus far, they are working very well. The car starts easier and idles more smoothly. Overall performance is excellent. The OEM plugs were NGK.
MazdaES
10/1/2007 7:17:59 PM
1996 Protege ES 1.8L 182,000.  Had it from new.   I have always used NGK except once.  I tried Autolites for a year and was not happy with them.  So I went back to the NGK.   Also noticed a big difference when I put the NGK wires on. 
protegedon
10/1/2007 11:22:22 PM
Yeah, NGK makes excellent plugs for sure and I might have noticed the same improvement with new NGKs as I have with the Bosch. I was curious about the radical design of the latest Bosch plugs and how they would work in my engine. I'm also curious about their durability, but won't have much of an idea about that for another 30,000 miles (I hope).

As for wires, the car only has two very short wires and no distributor. There are two coils, each connected directly to one of the four plugs and indirectly, by a short plug wire, to one of the remaining plugs. Each coil fires each plug twice per cycle, once near TDC of the compression stroke and once near TDC of the exhaust stroke. They call it a wasted spark system, as the firing during the exhaust stroke serves no purpose. First car I've had without a distributor. Sure do like not having to replace a cap and rotor or adjust timing.
MazdaES
10/4/2007 6:02:36 PM
The coil packs are a known issue with these cars.  Should keep a spare handy because they tend to go with no warning.  I think they are about $30 each.  I would rather have the cap and rotor.  That design is one of the things that Ford brought to Mazda, not one of their better ideas. 
protegedon
10/5/2007 9:42:05 PM
If one of the coils were to suddenly fail, as you say they are prone to do, how would I know that was the problem? Is there a quick test one can perform with a multimeter? Do you know if driving in extreme heat (over 110°F) makes coil failure more likely?

Also, are aftermarket replacement coils available?  I mean, if these coils are notorious for failing as you indicate, wouldn't I be better off with a high quality aftermarket replacement as opposed to an OEM replacement? Of course, I'm assuming that Mazda hasn't corrected the problem and are selling the same lot of coils as was used in the manufacturing process and they may have taken corrective action. I don't think I have ever had a coil fail on any vehicle I've owned, but there's a first time for everything.

Thanks for sharing your insight, it is much appreciated.
MazdaES
10/6/2007 6:15:08 PM
I don't know of any test that can be done without the shop computer.  They tend to just stop working right.  The car will start to misfire.  NIEHOFF makes an aftermarket coil pack.  But they are $60.  Kinda pricey.  The thing with Mazda parts is that there aren't too many aftermarket producers of parts.  The problem is the design of the pack itself.  They are using much smaller pieces that aren't as stable as the old style distributor. 
protegedon
10/6/2007 7:02:36 PM
Twice as much is indeed pricey. I will stick with the Mazda coils. I think having an extra is a good idea if they are prone to failure. The nice thing is that the two coils are interchangeable. I will get an extra before taking my next road trip to the desert. If the engine won't run and I suspect a bad coil, I can swap one out and if they doesn't work, I can swap the other.
MazdaES
10/6/2007 7:12:46 PM
You always want to have some extra parts in the trunk if you are out in the desert alot.  The same goes if you live up in the mountains.  You never know when you will need them. 
protegedon
10/6/2007 7:48:52 PM
Hey getting back to the spark plugs, does anyone else out there want to share their experiences with various manufacturers and plugs?

Thus far, the Bosch Platinum Ir Fusion are performing very well in my 2003 Protege DX. When I refill with gas, I will take my mileage and post the result and how it compares to what I've gotten historically with this vehicle.
protegedon
10/8/2007 7:04:14 PM
I checked the mileage for the first tank of gas on the Bosch Ir Fusion plugs. It was 26.36, which is pretty much par for my 2003 Protege DX. I did a mixture of city and freeway miles. I had added a bottle of Techron fuel system cleaner and I know that although using such products periodically is a good idea, I also know that they can lower mileage for the tankful they are added to. I will check the next few tankfuls to see how it goes.
80sGuy
10/12/2007 1:06:40 AM
118,800 on my 2000 LX with a second round of (OEM) NGK's...why fix it when it isn't broken?
protegedon
10/12/2007 11:49:02 PM
Good point. I'm not suggesting that the NGK OEMs are "broken". However, I'm curious as to whether Bosch has "built a better mouse trap" with their new radically designed plugs, namely the Platinum 2, Platinum 4 and Platimum Fusion. I'm also curious about other radical designs, like that of the E3 plugs.

Perhaps in the final analysis, these new designs will prove to be no better, or even worse, than plugs with a more traditional designe. I also understand that there are a greater number of OEM plug models than that of plugs marketed primarily to the aftermarket, suggesting a high degree of customization to a particular application.
80sGuy
10/13/2007 2:16:34 AM
There have been a number of people (numerous amount I should say) reported that they have nothing but problems with their Proteges after switching to Bosch spark plugs -anywhere from misfirngs to slow performances etc., etc..
Now I'm not saying Bosch plugs are inferior in any way whatsoever, although I had the +4s installed on my Porsche 944 (nothing else except 'Bosch') and they performed exceptionally well. But certain cars are just not meant to be - such as the Mazda Protege. 
NGKs are no worst [or better] than Bosch, but the design elements of those plugs do go hand in hand with Mazdas very well...therefore I say "why fix it when it isn't broken"? 
 
You can give it a shot, worst comes to worst, you'll only lose a few bucks if you install them yourself...or...you might gain a few more horsepower if your Protege appproves them Bosch plugs.
80sGuy
10/13/2007 2:25:46 AM
quote:

ORIGINAL: protegedon

Good point. I'm not suggesting that the NGK OEMs are "broken". However, I'm curious as to whether Bosch has "built a better mouse trap" with their new radically designed plugs, namely the Platinum 2, Platinum 4 and Platimum Fusion. I'm also curious about other radical designs, like that of the E3 plugs.

Perhaps in the final analysis, these new designs will prove to be no better, or even worse, than plugs with a more traditional designe. I also understand that there are a greater number of OEM plug models than that of plugs marketed primarily to the aftermarket, suggesting a high degree of customization to a particular application.


You might want to read this
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123652016&highlight=bosch
protegedon
10/13/2007 10:06:23 AM
Well, we shall see. I've had the Fusion plugs installed for two weeks now and they seem to be performing just fine.
A couple of times I did notice what I think was a misfire at idle, but I think that I may have noticed this with the OEM NGKs as well. Also, I just purchased an Innova Car Reader 3030 and found out that all the sensors are working correctly and that there are no trouble codes stored in the on-board computer. My vehicle is equipped with a misfire monitor and there were no recordable instances of misfires. So I think the plugs are performing quite well. It will be interesting to see how they do over time.
Most people don't understand how multi-side (ground) electrode plugs work and what the intended advantages are of this design over that of the traditional single ground electrode plugs. Electricity always takes the path of least resistance and when multiple possible paths are available, it will take this path to the exclusion of others. So, when a plug with multiple ground electrodes fires, the spark jumps between the center electrode and only one of the ground electrodes (the one offering the least resistance). However, this is not always the same ground electrode and over the life of the plug all of the ground electrodes are used, just not at the same time. This allows the plug to last longer.
With regard to the Bosch +2, +4 and fusion plugs, their designs also allow for better exposure of the spark to the air/fuel mixture and allow the flame kernel to grow downward toward the piston without a side electrode in its way. This is supposed to be advantageous. At least that is what they claim.
80sGuy
10/13/2007 12:36:22 PM
Different strokes for different folks, if the plugs suit your car, then I'm happy to hear that you're not experiencing any difficulties.
One of the guys from another forum wrote an in depth article regarding his experience with the NGK plugs he'd installed in his car. All its technicalities were explained and why it is different, and how they react differently compared to Bosch plugs used in Mazda Proteges. Turns out, these are the same plugs that I'd put in my car 6 months ago.
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123631485
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