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So is this something I would know when I go to flash a new tune or would it let me flash but then not do anything? I have no idea if my ECU is locked. I just find it weird that when i flash either the stock tune or other tunes i have about 6 to 8 tunes, the car feels no different.
If it is a person or company that is offering one on one customer calibration you would need to ask them I don't think they would ever advertise if they did.
Most every Canned tuned or the miss used phrase "flash" simply changes a specific target ECU area . Some companies offers instruction on how to return to all the ECU OEM calibrations. If they don't I would not recommend to use them Chips years ago were the "in thing" because they were top loaded from the OBD connector simply unplugging them returned the ECU to factory.
The clue is the cost. A true and we call it for universal understanding FLASH" is only basic 3-4 areas enough that the customer thinks they got there moneys worth for the product. But if ever tested on a DYN before and after would be very hard pressed to see any difference to brag about.
A friend as a unknowing guineapig I told him I made a performance file just for his car. And I said you are going to love the throttle response, your engine is going to feel like it has an addental 50 HP. Naturally all my other friend were in on the joke. All I did was adjust his drive-by-wire setting % as well adjusted off throttle injector pulse so it would pop heavily out the exhaust every time he lifted of the throttle> Sure enough he thought I had installed Nitrous on his engine. LOL
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This depends on the company. You would need to tell me what you are using.
If it is a person or company that is offering one on one customer calibration you would need to ask them I don't think they would ever advertise if they did.
Most every Canned tuned or the miss used phrase "flash" simply changes a specific target ECU area . Some companies offers instruction on how to return to all the ECU OEM calibrations. If they don't I would not recommend to use them Chips years ago were the "in thing" because they were top loaded from the OBD connector simply unplugging them returned the ECU to factory.
The clue is the cost. A true and we call it for universal understanding FLASH" is only basic 3-4 areas enough that the customer thinks they got there moneys worth for the product. But if ever tested on a DYN before and after would be very hard pressed to see any difference to brag about.
A friend as a unknowing guineapig I told him I made a performance file just for his car. And I said you are going to love the throttle response, your engine is going to feel like it has an addental 50 HP. Naturally all my other friend were in on the joke. All I did was adjust his drive-by-wire setting % as well adjusted off throttle injector pulse so it would pop heavily out the exhaust every time he lifted of the throttle> Sure enough he thought I had installed Nitrous on his engine. LOL
If it is a person or company that is offering one on one customer calibration you would need to ask them I don't think they would ever advertise if they did.
Most every Canned tuned or the miss used phrase "flash" simply changes a specific target ECU area . Some companies offers instruction on how to return to all the ECU OEM calibrations. If they don't I would not recommend to use them Chips years ago were the "in thing" because they were top loaded from the OBD connector simply unplugging them returned the ECU to factory.
The clue is the cost. A true and we call it for universal understanding FLASH" is only basic 3-4 areas enough that the customer thinks they got there moneys worth for the product. But if ever tested on a DYN before and after would be very hard pressed to see any difference to brag about.
A friend as a unknowing guineapig I told him I made a performance file just for his car. And I said you are going to love the throttle response, your engine is going to feel like it has an addental 50 HP. Naturally all my other friend were in on the joke. All I did was adjust his drive-by-wire setting % as well adjusted off throttle injector pulse so it would pop heavily out the exhaust every time he lifted of the throttle> Sure enough he thought I had installed Nitrous on his engine. LOL
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Mazda Edit
Their site info:
Easy to return back to stock at any time
So not locked!
But it does state if you make a ECU backup before using that software?
The software is very similar to what I have been using for the last 20 years. Not really state of the art so to say but very accurate in the right experience and hopefully trained hands..
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
Custom built calibration file to suit your setup
This means they already have pre calibrated files based on universal information likely from actually doing the hard work of creating good calibration files that will work on most applications. and or earlier customers?
Calibration revisions to optimize the tune for your setup
So is this when they find flaws in some of their earlier calibrations they will offer free updated version that corrected them?
In depth data log analysis with every revision
hmm there is an interest continuity in their advertising here they stated with a less version that *see below
so now how can they state the above without the below??? lol No updates or continuous datalogging required
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
Look I know the company and depending on how experienced the actual "tuner" is and if you get the same person every time their product overall is not bad. They do fear Versa Tune and use that in their onsite ad. That is a sign at least to me of fear factor of a product provider that has a strong customer base and good product. I prefer versa Tune mainly because they are almost full or what is called global access to the ECU. They company you used danced around my exact question to them and even after I told them whom I was still tried to sell my on BS?? That indicated to me at least the 2 different people I talked to claiming they were "tuners" did not really either have the experience or just were not what they claimed. Versa Tume once they knew who I was and my background gave me straight answers yes or no what and what not their product could do for a person like me for my Mazda.
From what I have read from you I suggest start over from the begging. make sure that you ECU is return to ECU stock and reinstall the calibrations. Then find a 1 mile straight patch of road and nail the throttle by way of firmly pressing foot (closer the toe area) hard and firm at the top portion of the pedal beyond that resistance pint (find it first with engine off so you know what I am talking about )on the peddle that makes owners think they are at full throttle. Once you get to 80+MPH back off for safety or do what you feel safe and then see if that made a difference? Also see how the engine preforms after you do test run? If anything else the engine should idle better and exbibit a snappier throttle response.
BTW you should be using the highest octane fuel for the best developed supported power output of the engine.
Their site info:
Easy to return back to stock at any time
So not locked!
But it does state if you make a ECU backup before using that software?
The software is very similar to what I have been using for the last 20 years. Not really state of the art so to say but very accurate in the right experience and hopefully trained hands..
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
Custom built calibration file to suit your setup
This means they already have pre calibrated files based on universal information likely from actually doing the hard work of creating good calibration files that will work on most applications. and or earlier customers?
- Read, clear and disable DTC codes
Calibration revisions to optimize the tune for your setup
So is this when they find flaws in some of their earlier calibrations they will offer free updated version that corrected them?
In depth data log analysis with every revision
hmm there is an interest continuity in their advertising here they stated with a less version that *see below
so now how can they state the above without the below??? lol No updates or continuous datalogging required
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
- Step by step guidance for setup and datalogging
- ✔ Unlock the true performance of your Mazda 3!
Look I know the company and depending on how experienced the actual "tuner" is and if you get the same person every time their product overall is not bad. They do fear Versa Tune and use that in their onsite ad. That is a sign at least to me of fear factor of a product provider that has a strong customer base and good product. I prefer versa Tune mainly because they are almost full or what is called global access to the ECU. They company you used danced around my exact question to them and even after I told them whom I was still tried to sell my on BS?? That indicated to me at least the 2 different people I talked to claiming they were "tuners" did not really either have the experience or just were not what they claimed. Versa Tume once they knew who I was and my background gave me straight answers yes or no what and what not their product could do for a person like me for my Mazda.
From what I have read from you I suggest start over from the begging. make sure that you ECU is return to ECU stock and reinstall the calibrations. Then find a 1 mile straight patch of road and nail the throttle by way of firmly pressing foot (closer the toe area) hard and firm at the top portion of the pedal beyond that resistance pint (find it first with engine off so you know what I am talking about )on the peddle that makes owners think they are at full throttle. Once you get to 80+MPH back off for safety or do what you feel safe and then see if that made a difference? Also see how the engine preforms after you do test run? If anything else the engine should idle better and exbibit a snappier throttle response.
BTW you should be using the highest octane fuel for the best developed supported power output of the engine.
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Mazda Edit
Their site info:
Easy to return back to stock at any time
So not locked!
But it does state if you make a ECU backup before using that software?
The software is very similar to what I have been using for the last 20 years. Not really state of the art so to say but very accurate in the right experience and hopefully trained hands..
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
Custom built calibration file to suit your setup
This means they already have pre calibrated files based on universal information likely from actually doing the hard work of creating good calibration files that will work on most applications. and or earlier customers?
Calibration revisions to optimize the tune for your setup
So is this when they find flaws in some of their earlier calibrations they will offer free updated version that corrected them?
In depth data log analysis with every revision
hmm there is an interest continuity in their advertising here they stated with a less version that *see below
so now how can they state the above without the below??? lol No updates or continuous datalogging required
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
Look I know the company and depending on how experienced the actual "tuner" is and if you get the same person every time their product overall is not bad. They do fear Versa Tune and use that in their onsite ad. That is a sign at least to me of fear factor of a product provider that has a strong customer base and good product. I prefer versa Tune mainly because they are almost full or what is called global access to the ECU. They company you used danced around my exact question to them and even after I told them whom I was still tried to sell my on BS?? That indicated to me at least the 2 different people I talked to claiming they were "tuners" did not really either have the experience or just were not what they claimed. Versa Tume once they knew who I was and my background gave me straight answers yes or no what and what not their product could do for a person like me for my Mazda.
From what I have read from you I suggest start over from the begging. make sure that you ECU is return to ECU stock and reinstall the calibrations. Then find a 1 mile straight patch of road and nail the throttle by way of firmly pressing foot (closer the toe area) hard and firm at the top portion of the pedal beyond that resistance pint (find it first with engine off so you know what I am talking about )on the peddle that makes owners think they are at full throttle. Once you get to 80+MPH back off for safety or do what you feel safe and then see if that made a difference? Also see how the engine preforms after you do test run? If anything else the engine should idle better and exbibit a snappier throttle response.
BTW you should be using the highest octane fuel for the best developed supported power output of the engine.
Their site info:
Easy to return back to stock at any time
So not locked!
But it does state if you make a ECU backup before using that software?
The software is very similar to what I have been using for the last 20 years. Not really state of the art so to say but very accurate in the right experience and hopefully trained hands..
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
Custom built calibration file to suit your setup
This means they already have pre calibrated files based on universal information likely from actually doing the hard work of creating good calibration files that will work on most applications. and or earlier customers?
- Read, clear and disable DTC codes
Calibration revisions to optimize the tune for your setup
So is this when they find flaws in some of their earlier calibrations they will offer free updated version that corrected them?
In depth data log analysis with every revision
hmm there is an interest continuity in their advertising here they stated with a less version that *see below
so now how can they state the above without the below??? lol No updates or continuous datalogging required
No updates or continuous datalogging required
This is ridicules ^^^ not a great idea but makes the consumer think less work to achieve better calibration. You can't make safe changes and target area's without the useful data tool of both? But if you want more customers make them, think it is not needed and how easy their upgrade products can be used. Evey car and every operating environment is different and without that DATA logging input it is all guessing.
- Step by step guidance for setup and datalogging
- ✔ Unlock the true performance of your Mazda 3!
Look I know the company and depending on how experienced the actual "tuner" is and if you get the same person every time their product overall is not bad. They do fear Versa Tune and use that in their onsite ad. That is a sign at least to me of fear factor of a product provider that has a strong customer base and good product. I prefer versa Tune mainly because they are almost full or what is called global access to the ECU. They company you used danced around my exact question to them and even after I told them whom I was still tried to sell my on BS?? That indicated to me at least the 2 different people I talked to claiming they were "tuners" did not really either have the experience or just were not what they claimed. Versa Tume once they knew who I was and my background gave me straight answers yes or no what and what not their product could do for a person like me for my Mazda.
From what I have read from you I suggest start over from the begging. make sure that you ECU is return to ECU stock and reinstall the calibrations. Then find a 1 mile straight patch of road and nail the throttle by way of firmly pressing foot (closer the toe area) hard and firm at the top portion of the pedal beyond that resistance pint (find it first with engine off so you know what I am talking about )on the peddle that makes owners think they are at full throttle. Once you get to 80+MPH back off for safety or do what you feel safe and then see if that made a difference? Also see how the engine preforms after you do test run? If anything else the engine should idle better and exbibit a snappier throttle response.
BTW you should be using the highest octane fuel for the best developed supported power output of the engine.
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So thats good that the ecu is not locked i just don't understand why i cannot go back to stock. I actually went and drove a stock miata at a dealership just to see the difference and my car even with the stock file flashed felt way faster. now when i flash the other tune files i just don't feel any difference its as if the car has been tuned and it just stays that way doesn't matter which tune file i use. how do i flash back to stock ecu if the stock file from my tuner is not working?
At this point you can then start over by FIRST making a back up file of you now clean ECU. Then and only then you can upload your “canned tune files” and see if it makes a difference. If not then I would be on the cell and having a heart to heart conversation with whom ever sold you the soft and hardware products.
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If they tuner can’t or does not know how to help to return to OEM ECU files because the backup was either not done not done correct or not confirmed to have been completely back used then you need to, either have the Mazda dealer use the latest ECU file and install it ,they call it still a “flesh” or a service shop that has the latest Mazda ECU file and can perform a simple pass-through (flash) to return your ECU to original.
At this point you can then start over by FIRST making a back up file of you now clean ECU. Then and only then you can upload your “canned tune files” and see if it makes a difference. If not then I would be on the cell and having a heart to heart conversation with whom ever sold you the soft and hardware products.
At this point you can then start over by FIRST making a back up file of you now clean ECU. Then and only then you can upload your “canned tune files” and see if it makes a difference. If not then I would be on the cell and having a heart to heart conversation with whom ever sold you the soft and hardware products.
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The Mazda dealership service department may even do it for free. But that all depends on so many factors most is attitude and not telling them what you were trying to do. maybe sugget that a service shop recommended it and that you go to a dealer?
I charge my customers in the shop (not my personal company which is different from where I work) for a basic pass-through if I have the current platform ECU file $75.
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It is basically a 10-15 minute service so likely they will charge you basic hour rate?
The Mazda dealership service department may even do it for free. But that all depends on so many factors most is attitude and not telling them what you were trying to do. maybe sugget that a service shop recommended it and that you go to a dealer?
I charge my customers in the shop (not my personal company which is different from where I work) for a basic pass-through if I have the current platform ECU file $75.
The Mazda dealership service department may even do it for free. But that all depends on so many factors most is attitude and not telling them what you were trying to do. maybe sugget that a service shop recommended it and that you go to a dealer?
I charge my customers in the shop (not my personal company which is different from where I work) for a basic pass-through if I have the current platform ECU file $75.
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No it requires for OEM flashes(not aftermarket) physically being at the shop.
Last edited by Callisto; Apr 17, 2025 at 08:52 AM.
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ok that makes sense. I will say i reflashed the stock tune from my tuner and have left it on for a while and it seems like it is adjusting the ECU i mean and feels more like stock maybe I just needed to leave it on for longer?