why oh why is it so hard to comprehend that dealers are first and foremost an independent business with all the overhead that goes with any business are there to make a profit to continue to stay in business and not all dealers cost on any vehicle is the same?
Do some of you nogotiate the price of a quart of oil when you buy it at 7/11 vs Costco? Or with your doctor over the cost of that office visit?

Here is a funny thing any look up and decide if it is with or fact... type in (where the world's unsold cars go to die) and look at all these past articles, decide fact or fiction for yourself. LOL

 

It's very easy to comprehend this. Which is why I do not expect them to sell it in a way that won't make them any profit. But why is it so hard to comprehend that cars are typically sold at a negotiated price? No, I wouldn't negotiate a price of a bread at Walmart. I wouldn't negotiate the cost of a Big Mac at a drive-thru. But I would negotiate the price of a car. If you never have, that makes you rather out of touch with reality. Boy, don't dealers love you.

 

I want to point out that I did not quote yuo or anyone with my last response on this thread. But fishing with a good bait often catches the fish....LOL

Um I hold a Dealers License, worked at a dealership in several capacities of my choice at one time, have family and friends that have owned auto manufactures authorized dealerships or were in upper management i.e. sale or fleet managers. So I know a little bit how things work at a dealership and sorry to tell you again it is a independent business and not all dealerships have the same invested cost in a single vehicle as others. So maybe you are out of touch with reality of how a business that carries a inventory of product works. Maybe learn about flooring costs. It will help you a little in the future when you want to purchase a new vehicle! SERIOULY I am not kidding!
I can say if dealerships could not make a profit, we would start to lose them. They would fail as we have seen many over decades and hen where would you go and need to do to get a warranty service? LOL

 

Too funny.....you must be in the "business". Yeh, most of us "boomers" who have been around for a while understand when to negotiate on a purchase and when not. And, walking into a car dealership when purchasing a vehicle is the prime time to use the negotiating skills one has built over the years. Are you suggesting by your above highlighted statement a buyer should not negotiate the price of their intended car purchase? If so, then your credibility on this site might suffer a little bit Here's another recent example case in point. About four months after we purchased our CX9, my daughter and husband went into dealer to buy a new CX5. Dealer wouldn't budge on sticker msrp and also added a $3200 "market adjustment" to the sticker. They left but we all went back the next day to try again. I told the guy she had a problem paying the market adjustment and then he asks "what zip code do you live in". When my daughter answered a local zip code, the guy responds "oh okay, the market adjustment is just for "out of area" buyers". Talk about taking advantage of the situation. Deal was closed. Dealer made a reasonable profit. So yes, most of understand a dealer is in business to make a profit but those of us who have been around a while also understand when greed/taking advantage comes into play.

 

I'm struggling to understand the point that you are trying to make... And with how much you "LOL" at your own text, one could wonder if you are just high and feel the uncontrollable laughter. Been there, bud..

Are you proposing not to negotiate the price with the dealer because they need to make a living or is the point to expect that not every dealer may offer a discount that another dealer could? If it's the former, then see above my point of not being in touch with reality. Even with such impressive credential as a licensed dealer. If it's the latter, then it would still be logical to try negotiate the best price. If it works - it works, if not - on to the next one, but being on the outside I obviously have no way of knowing which dealer would cut me a deal that I want and which won't. So..again, what's your point? Other than "LOL", of course.

 

Market adjustment is nothing more than a negotiating technique aimed at creating an illusion of getting a good deal. It wasn't supposed to even be there. The real negotiations happen around the sticker price, did they budge on that? And if they did, by how much, if you don't mind sharing?

 

You know under advice form people using the "LOL" or emo-con helps to show what we cant see from texting is body language, demeanor and voice .

I think you and other should negotiate for the purchase of the HORSE!. But we are slowly getting to the point that that is going to be something to note in history and at some point gone. Tesla is a good example!
I am just saying don't be so fricken hard on dealership and you all think that they are out to get you. The first rule of buying a new car is make sure you have some good feeling about the sales person. if you don't find another one. You are not bound to stick with that salesperson. Be prepared to walk away if you just don't like the price. LEAVE, if the dealership wants yu sale they will call you by no later then the next day! DONT compare the price of dealerships, that really does not work for more reasons that I care to post. Consider making an appointment instead of showing up on walking the lot waiting for the sharks to attack you! Often you will get a manager of a department instead of fly by salesperson who does not want a job flipping burgers. ha-ha-ha...
alway always walkway get a copy of every proposal that is put on paper. I mean even that scratch deal that they show you. When it is in your hands don't give it back ask to go make a copy of it. Honest salespeople will have no problem with that. Some one hiding something will be resistant to that.
Lastly consider to travel out of town and as i suggested make an appointment to visit that dealership and express that you don't care for the negotiation at your local dealerships. This will influence that dealership to make a sale knowing that you are a motivate buyer seeking a deal and not a back-and-forth BS negotiating.


BTW I have never done drugs, smoked anything and have been a vegetarian and vegan since 1982. I do enjoy red wine occasionally.
Oh and I do often nogotiate the price of my Doctors visit because I know about medical coding and cost of services and procedures. So when I pay out of pocket I do insist for a "true" discount!

 

Where did you ever get that idea from..... oh wait the internet...
Next time try to get the flooring invoice and what the dealership actually added for real cost of prepped and other necessary services and parts? Then ask what they need as a mark up to be a fair sale!
This will be very difficult to get but if you do you will see close to the real cost with the exception of the flooring cost which is from the investors and that you will never see.

 

It's the dealers responsibility to watch out for his business, it's my responsibility to watch out for mine. I don't care about the dealers overhead, what he buys cars for, manufacturer kickbacks, or really any other aspect of his business. I care about buying what I want in a transaction that is most advantageous to me. To determine a fair price you must do your homework, set your limits, and take your time. I'll deal with service, warranty, etc., at any of several Mazda dealers in the area.
As a buyer if you do not shop, negotiate, play hardball, and be willing to walk, you will end up paying too much for a new or used car. It's only business...

 

Firstly, I was talking all along about used cars. Secondly, if you want to dive into the market adjustment: show me the rationale and justification that would drive the price to that amount and not $500 more or less. And then explain it to me, if the reasons are so compelling, why is it every dealer I spoke with drops the market adjustment the second I even look at it. If it is genuine and justifiable mark-up and not a negotiating ploy, shouldn't they stand firm on it? No? Why not?