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Some more work on the new to me Mazda 2 to Get All New Fluids in the Car & develop a Benchmark
The Mazda 2 came with a newly fitted (2 weeks in the car <100km) Replacement Radiator.
“Brand: FloKool, Model: RAD1476” (suits Auto), Aluminium Core, resin plastic Top & Bottom.
Enquires through Parts Supplier to Manufacturer confirm it has SILICON Gaskets between the Aluminium Core & the resin plastic Top & Bottom.
STICKER on RADIATOR - FloKool Part No RAD1476 Date Code AUG2003 MADE IN INDONESIA
Description
Tank Material Plastic
Core Material Aluminium
Core Width 555mm
Core Height 350mm
Core Thickness 24mm
Oil Cooler Size 275mm
Core Rows 1
Developed for the New Zealand and Australian market
Built to meet or exceed OE specs
Superior cooling ability
Light weight
2-year or 50,000km warranty (whichever occurs first)
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The Mazda 2 came with FL22 from new Japan Factory.
A MAZDA Radiator Cap ND 1.1. FL22 is fitted
(noted AUD$67 from Dealership Parts, expensive compared to Toyota parts.)
Pg8-17 MAZDA 2 OWNERS MANUAL "Soft Demin Water in the Coolant
Top up with the correct Coolant Mixture, Don’t use Water Only
Engine has ALUMINIUM Parts & MUST be protected by an ethylene-glycol-based coolant NO alcohol, methanol, Borate or Silicate"
########### Previous owner had put RED SCA House brand coolant in the car.
SCA Long Life Red Coolant Concentrate 5 Litre
Details https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/591864.html
Features:
Premium quality organic acid technology (OAT) offers long life anti-freeze/anti-boil protection
Carboxylate technology (a SUB FORM of 2-EHA) coolant contains no silicates, borates, phosphates, nitrites, nitrates or amines
Red Type "A" concentrate
Temperature Range (50% Mix): Freeze -36.2°C, Boil 108.2°C
??????? So off down the Coolant Rabbit Hole to work out if it was suitable for use in the MAZDA 2.
2-Ethylhexanoic acid = 2-EHA
SCA Tech Advice confirms their RED & GREEN SCA House Brand Coolant contains a small amount of 2-EHA.....does not disclose that on the bottle
Carboxylate technology (a SUB FORM of 2-EHA)
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MAZDA Genuine FL22 Premix 55/45
MAZDA Part No: K018 W0 122L5
Understand FL22 is a P-HOAT 2nd Generation & does not contain 2-EHA, however its formulation has changed over time.
Detail from the FL22 5Litre Container Labelling & MSDS
Refer to SDS 464322
Bar Code 9310084030543
P002159/F
3415489
Contains: 451ml/L Ethylene Glycol 10mg/kg of bittering agent Denatonium Benzoate
Mazda FL22 is a premixed formula ready to use. Do not add additional water to this coolant
Do not store in vehicle once opened
Keep out of Reach of Children....& Muppets Manufactured in Australia for MAZDA AUSTRALIA
Packed in Australia by Castrol Australia Pty Ltd
MAZDA Part No: K018 W0 122L5 5lt 55/45 Premix: AUD$180
Fig[1] Mazda Genuine FL22 Oz Front
Fig[2] Mazda Genuine FL22 Oz Rear
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FL22 coolant is a long-life coolant, 10yrs / 250,000kms
Absolute maximum to first change "in theory" NOTED it is outside the warranty period & beyond the typical first ownership so not a MAZDA Dealership problem..... How many 10yr old Mazda's are being driven by 1st owner & still being serviced by Mazda Dealerships or an independent workshop using MAZDA Specific Fluids ie Not Multi-Vehicle Fluids?
Suggest less than 5% of the new car sales, most leave "MAZDA Dealership Service Schemes" at 5Years or 7Years at the end of the "Capped Price Service" schedule & less than 160,000kms.
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MAZDA Genuine FL22 Premix 55/45
MAZDA Part No: K018 W0 122L5
Ingredients: Ethylene Glycol (107-21-1), Water (7732-18-5), Diethylene Glycol (111-46-6), Potassium Hydroxide (1310-58-3), Proprietary Inhibitors (NJTSRN 217).
No 2-EHA
MAZDA FL22 Coolant "MSDS 87032_3-23 Dated 2023_01_02"
Product Name: Mazda Extended Life Premium Pre‐diluted Antifreeze/Coolant TYPE FL‐22
SDS No: 87032
Mazda Canada Inc. Vogell Road 55, Richmond Hill – Canada, L4B 3K5
Ethylene glycol (107-21-1) 30% - 60% [then on pg8 states 50% by Wt]
Hydrated inorganic acid, organic acid salts (Not Available) <5%
Diethylene glycol (111-46-6) 1% to 3%
pH: 7 to 9
Boiling Point 79 Deg C?? (possibly the "non pressurised Temp" else the spec is different to Oz)
NA GHS SDS 2015 (Can, US)
########### https://penriteoil.com.au/products/g...nt-concentrate Penrite Green GLYSANTIN G48
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
HYBRID (HOAT - Hybrid Organic Acid Technology)
Phosphate, Amine and Nitrite free.
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C Contains Borate
https://penriteoil.com.au/products/r...nt-concentrate Penrite RED
GLYSANTIN G40
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
Advanced OAT (Organic Acid Technology)
Phosphate, Amine, Borate and Nitrite free.
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C Contains Silicate
https://penriteoil.com.au/products/b...nt-concentrate Penrite BLUE
GLYSANTIN G30
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
Advanced OAT (Organic Acid Technology)
Silicate, Phosphate, Amine, Borate and Nitrite free
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C
Reportedly Penrite Green G48 is recommended for the Mazda 2
Problem is Penrite Green contains Borate & both Penrite Green & Penrite BLUE Coolant contains a small amount of 2-EHA = 2-Ethylhexanoic acid
########### Burson Long Life Blue Coolant
Ethylene Glycol Based
Part no: BBCC5L
Contains: % by Wt. 1,2-Ethanediol (107-21-1) 30 ≤ 60%, Denatonium Benzoate (3734-33-6) <1%, *Non-hazardous ingredients Balance.
Ethylene Glycol: 1043g/lt
Denatonium Benzoate: 10mg/kg (Bittering Agent)
50/50 Anti Boil Protection: Plus 129 Deg C
Ph: 7.7Typ
Specific Gravity: 1.065 at 20°C typ.
MSDS: 19 September 2023
AS2108-2004 Engine Coolant Type A, ASTM D3306, BS6580:2010, JIS K2234-206 Class II
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FORD Motorcraft used to sell: Motorcraft Specialty Green VC-10-A2 Concentrate = FL22
However, that is no longer available in Oz & has been superseded by FORD Motorcraft YELLOW: FORD Motorcraft VC-13-G FIRNo 200142 Concentrated WSS_97B57_A1 01, YELLOW Coolant
Ethylene glycol (107-21-1), 2,2-Oxydiethanol (11-46-6), Sodium 2-ethylhexanoate (19766-89-3), Water (7732018-5); sodium neodecanoalte (31548-27-3).
50/50 Boil: +129 Deg C
Concentrate 3.78lt: AUD$70
########### Toyota Super Long Life PINK Coolant 50/50
Extended Life Japanese Coolant uses Phosphates for fast protection (no silicates) & a single organic acid (Sebacate) & other inhibitors.
No 2-EHA
Water (7732-18-5)
Ethylene Glycol (107-21-1)
Diethylene Glycol (111-46-6)
Sebacic Acid (111-20-6)
Potassium Hydroxide (1310-58-3)
Initial boiling point and boiling range : 108 °C (ASTM D1120)
pH : 7,7 (ASTM D1287)
The options are full flush, remove thermostat & blow out the block with compressed air & then up to 5.4lt required:
[a] Toyota Super Long Life PINK Coolant 50/50 Premix using 2 of 5lt = AUD$84
or
['b] FORD Motorcraft VC-13-G FIRNo 200142 Concentrate WSS_97B57_A1 01, YELLOW Coolant using 1 of 3.78lt = AUD$70
or
[c] MAZDA FL22 55/45 Premix using 2 of 5lt = AUD$360
Concentrate makes the flush & achieving a 50/50 outcome easier than 50/50 premix.
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So what are others doing when they are required to completely flush the MAZDA cooling system?
Are you paying AUD$360 for Mazda FL22 Premix to flush all of the previous coolant out?….surely not?
Thoughts?
Rob
Last edited by OZCorolla_x2; Sep 15, 2024 at 08:59 AM.
I would drain & fully flush the whole cooling system with water. Refill with water, drive it for a day, drain it, flush it again and add about 4 litres of Penrite green concentrate coolant.
Thankyou for the reply Grim.
Your process WRT changing the coolant is similar to what I have in mind.
Interestingly, Independent Workshops that use Penrite Fluids have the same recommendation as it provides "the Penrite Warranty".
penriteoil.com.au/products/green-oem-coolant-concentrate Penrite Green GLYSANTIN G48 OEM-Coolant-Concentrate
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
HYBRID (HOAT - Hybrid Organic Acid Technology)
Phosphate, Amine and Nitrite free.
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C Was concerned that it contains Borate.
SFAIAA It also contains 2-EHA
Hi Grim,
When I was digging around on the forum I noted an older post from yourself:
"07-09-2014, 08:09 AM
grim_reaper Super Moderator
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Queensland Australia
Posts: 7,395 I've noticed in alot of Mazda's the coolant does go from green to yellow to brown ( not rusty) if not changed for a long long time. Also the overflow bottles/tanks will be stained too."
Do you have thoughts on Years/time to this challenge? would you say 7Yrs on FL22?
Is there a noticeable PH change when the coolant discolourisation occurs?
I notice Mazda's run hotter than Toyota (3SFE, 3SGE, 1ZZFE, 2ZRFE, 2AR-FE etc). Using Non contact Thermometer & Thermography Camera to benchmark against the OBD2 PID indicates the 2009 MAZDA 2 OBD2 PID is sufficiently accurate.
=>> Maybe this elevated Temperature 100 Deg C or more leads to evaporation of the Demin Water out of the "FL22 Coolant Mixture" in the Non Pressurised Overflow/Header Tank?
...& Probably Why the later MAZDA Cars have the Pressurisation Cap on the Overflow/Header Tank instead of on Top of the Radiator?
As I don't have a high pressure air line to flush out the old coolant from the engine block, I'm inclined to just keep adding distilled water, running up the RPM to open thermostat and circulate, re-drain, then repeat until it drains out clear. Either that or take it to a shop who will do your proposed method.
WRT "PrixMax JNK Blue Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant (P-OAT) 5L Bottle JNKB-C5"
Noted that it is $68 for 5lt plus shipping?
I have not used JNKB-C5.
=>> Toyota Super Long Life Coolant PartNo 08889_80431 is cheaper, an excellent product & readily available in stock from the Local Toyota Dealer.
"Recommended for use in Honda, Hyundai, Infiniti, Kia, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru and Suzuki vehicles"
=>> Interesting that Toyota is not Mentioned. "Up to 5 years or 250,000kms of service protection."
=>> I'd still choose (& have used) Toyota Super Long Life Coolant PartNo 08889_80431 instead.
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Per: DIY MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt ZY-VE Coolant Change
" [38] Decide if a 3rd or 4th Demin Water Flush is required
Pg10-5 MAZDA 2 Owners Manual 8AB6 Form No. 8AB6-EO-08J
"MAZDA 2 with Auto Transmission = 5.0Litres Capacity"
?? Is that Plus “The Header Reservoir”? Or is the 5.0lt Capacity the total volume including the “The Header Reservoir”?
Noted 400ml is contained in the “Header Reservoir” at the Full Line
If we consider 5.0lt Capacity as the Total Volume including the “The Header Reservoir”
5.0 Lt - 0.4Lt = 4.6lt in Block, Radiator, Heater Core & Hoses
The Demin Flushes reduce by dilution the Residual Concentration of Initial Fluid:
1st Demin Flush 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 18.48% Concentration of Initial Fluid
2nd Demin Flush leaves 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 3.41% Concentration of Initial Fluid
3rd Demin Flush leaves 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 0.631% Concentration of Initial Fluid
4th Demin Flush leaves 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 0.117% Concentration of Initial Fluid If you are DIY, you have the time & you intend to keep the car,....well you can do what you like. If you are paying someone to do this for you.....time is money.....& You get what you get.
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Rob
Last edited by OZCorolla_x2; Sep 15, 2024 at 02:04 AM.
"PrixMax JNK Blue Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant (P-OAT) 5L Bottle JNKB-C5"
Noted that it is $68 for 5lt plus shipping?
I assume so, although shipping should be similar from any seller for the same 5L weight. The PrixMax JNK Blue is concentrated so it will make ~10L Compare that to the price for 5L of pre-mixed (50:50) Toyota Super Long Life costing say $43, $68 is less than double that price so it is cheaper once diluted. Granted one might prefer a pre-mix over a concentrate.
Thanks for the link to the dilution calculations. Mine will be different as I have a Mazda 3 =>larger block => more flushes with demineralised water required to achieve the same % remnant of old coolant. I got my 2013 model 2nd hand last year, The reservoir is marked FL22 and the coolant mix colour is greeny blue meaning I reckon the prior owner did not flush the green out of the block and just added some blue after draining once.
Toyota SLLC 5lt 50/50 was AUD$36 ea when you buy four (4)
Only used 1 on the Mazda 2.....have just been driving it.....still deciding if it is a Keeper.....If it is a Keeper it will get a 2nd Drain & then Refill with, Toyota SLLC 5lt 50/50 which will move it from 40.8% to 48.3%.
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WRT "PrixMax JNK Blue Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant (P-OAT) 5L Bottle JNKB-C5"
Use their shipping estimate, .....for my location:
=$68 + $22.85 = $90.85
So in my case Pickup Toyota SLLC from the Toyota Dealer = Cheaper.
Do your own calcs on % residual for a Mazda3 & post a separate thread detailing how you get on.
MAZDA FL22 is Straight Green
Greeny Blue = You need to flush your Coolant System.
Rob.
Last edited by OZCorolla_x2; Sep 15, 2024 at 08:14 AM.
This rabbit hole is crazy deep !! I was convinced the Ravenol HJC was fine because it specifically is listed for Japanese vehicles and has the word FL22 in its title !! So naturally I thought it was fine UNTIL I uncovered it has 2-EH in it (per its 2020 SDS !!) and the one available in Oz does NOT have phosphate in it which the FL22 does have. So two dings against Ravenol HJC. Phosphate is an inhibitor in FL22. they have a phosphate version of Ravenol HJC sold in Germany (item 1410122) but not in Oz. (Item 1410123)
I can't believe that so many coolants have 2-EH (the salts of 2-EHA). even the ford Motorcraft yellow. But we would not know it unless doing detective work. Here is the longest and most thorough thread on the topic of obscuring 2-EH in the ingredients. In fact it is entirely possible FL22 has 2-EH in it as this FL22 SDS just lists "organic acid salts" of which 2-EH could be one (we know Sebacate is one of them)
Can we categorically know SLLC does not contain 2-EH ? (Here is a German page showing a long list of ingredients in SLLC, but IDK if it is exhaustive. )
Can we categorically know Zerex Asian does not contain 2-EH in it ?
I suppose we could contact the mfg and ask them. (I tried that with Castrol Radicool and the tech rep replied "no 2-EHA" but made no comment on my questions re. 2-EH despite me asking twice , he declined to say yes or no making it look suspiciously like it does have 2-EH)
2009 MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt Auto - Coolant Choice
