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gatertamer 12-31-2012 09:56 PM

93 mx3 1.6l starts for a few seconds then dies
 
recently replaced entire cooling system including head gasket...ran good for a couple of days now starts up everytime but only runs for a few seconds (6 or 7) then dies. Replaced fuel pump and filter, vacuum hoses, cleaned tank, fuel pressure reads 40 lbs. then needle starts to flutter downwards to zero til it dies.. have 12.6 volts to pump itself and live wire to pump stays lit using a test light. code 3 comes up but it has been that way for several years and ran pretty well. Recently code 5 came up for a knock sensor but is no longer there...... was told that model doesnt have a knock sensor anyway. anybody with an idea? Injector resistance tests are within spec. good spark, tried different pressure regulator with same results

tanprotege 01-01-2013 11:54 AM

I dug around a little bit and found that each manufacturer had his own list of OBDI trouble codes.
For Mazda I found this:

Mazda Code Retrieval

Accessing Trouble Codes
96 & later are OBD2 systems

91Mazda B2000 pickup

Carbureted Models

System malfunctions detected and stored in the emission control unit can be displayed using the self-diagnosis checker tool No. 40-H018-9A1. Any current or memorized malfunctions are indicated by a displayed code number and a corresponding buzzer. A monitor lamp on the checker indicates oxygen sensor operation. A normal air/fuel ratio is indicated by a continuous flashing of the lamp. The lamp will not light continuously if the air/fuel is lean and will not light at all if the mixture is rich. Refer to the manufacturers instructions for operating procedures of the self-checker tool.

Fuel Injected Models

A system selector tool No. 49-B019-9AO or equivalent on OBD systems and tool No. 49-T088-OAO or equivalent on OBD II systems, can be used to diagnose the main input or output devices. Systems are displayed as code numbers appearing on the system checker. Refer to the manufacturers instructions for operating procedures.
Clearing Trouble Codes


Carbureted Models

Disconnect battery ground cable for a minimum of 10 seconds to clear trouble code stored in the memory.
Fuel Injected Models With OBD

Disconnect battery ground cable for a minimum of 10 seconds, then depress brake pedal five times to clear trouble code's stored in the memory.
Fuel Injected Models With OBD II

Connect SST (NGS) tool to data link connector 2. Then select "Clear Diagnosis Codes" function and erase diagnostic trouble codes from the NGS memory.
Diagnostic Codes

Mazda

Carbureted Vehicles1No1 Ign Pulse9Water Thermo Sensor13Vacuum Sensor14Atmospheric Pressure Sensor15Oxygen Sensor16EGR Position Sensor17Feedback System18A/F Solenoid Valve22Slow Fuel Cut Solenoid23Coasting Richer Solenoid or Circuit26Purge Solenoid Valve or Circuit28Duty Solenoid Vacuum Valve or Circuit29Duty Solenoid Vent Valve or Circuit30ACV Solenoid Valve or Circuit34Idle-Up Solenoid Valve (for A/C) or Circuit35Idle-Up Solenoid Valve (for A/T) or Circuit45Vacuum Solenoid Valve or CircuitFuel Injected (Before 95)
Except RX-7 (RX-7 See Below)1Ignition Pulse.2Distributor - No 2 Signal.2No 2 Signal (626 and MX-6).2Crank Angle Sensor - No 2 Signal (1992-1995 929, MX-3 1.8L).3Distributor - G or G1 Signal.3Crank Angle Sensor - G Signal (MX-3 1.8L).4Distributor - No #1 Signal or G2 Signal.4Crank Angle Sensor - No 1 Signal (MX-3 1.8L).5Knock Sensor.6Vehicle Speed Sensor.6Air Flow Meter (MX-3 1.8L).7Knock Sensor - right hand side.8Air Flow Meter.9Water Thermo Sensor.10Intake Air Thermo Sensor - Air Flow Meter.11Intake Air Thermo Sensor - Dynamic Chamber.12Throttle Sensor.14Atmospheric Pressure Sensor.15Oxygen Sensor or Heated Oxygen Sensor - left hand side.16EGR Position/Function Sensor.17Feedback System or Closed Loop System - left hand side.23Oxygen Sensor or Heated Oxygen Sensor - right hand side.24Feedback System or Closed Loop System - right hand side.25Solenoid Valve - Pressure Regulator.26Solenoid Valve.27Solenoid Valve.28Solenoid Valve - EGR Vacuum side.29Solenoid Valve - EGR Vent side.30Cold Start Injector Relay.34IAC Valve.36Heated Oxygen Sensor - right hand side.37Heated Oxygen Sensor - left hand side.40Solenoid Valve - Triple Induction Control System & 02S Replay.40Solenoid Valve - Variable Resonance Induction System Solenoid Valve - VRIS 1.42Wastegate Solenoid Valve.46Solenoid Valve - VRIS 2.65A/C Signal - PCMT.67Coolant Fan Relay No. 1.69ECT Sensor.
Fuel Injected (Before 95)
RX-71Ignition Coil - Trailing Side (1989-1991).1Crank Angle Sensor (1984-1988).2Crank Angle Sensor - No Signal.2Air Flow Meter (1984-1988).3Crank Angle Sensor - G Signal.3Water Thermo Sensor (1984-1988).4Intake Air Thermo Sensor.5Knock Sensor.5Oxygen Sensor (1984-1988).6Speedometer Sensor.6Throttle Sensor (1984-1988).7Boost Sensor (With Turbocharger, 1984-1988).7Pressure Sensor (Without Turbocharger, 1984-1988).8Air Flow Meter.9Water Thermo Sensor.9Atmospheric Pressure Sensor (1984-1988).10Intake Air Thermo Sensor.11Intake Air Thermo Sensor (1992-1995).11Throttle Sensor - Full Range (1989-1991).12Throttle Sensor - Full Range.12Coil with Igniter - Trailing Side (1984-1988).13Pressure Sensor.14Atmospheric Pressure Sensor.15Oxygen Sensor.15IAT Sensor - Dynamic Chamber or Intake Air Pipe (1984-1988).16EGR Switch.17Feedback System.18Throttle Sensor - Narrow Range.20Metering Oil Pump Position Sensor.23Fuel Thermo Sensor.25Solenoid Valve - Pressure Regulator Control.26Metering Oil Pump - Stepping Motor.27Metering Oil Pump.30Split Air Solenoid Valve.31Solenoid Valve - Relief.32Solenoid Valve - Switch.33Port Air Solenoid Valve.34Solenoid Valve - Idle Speed Control.37Metering Oil Pump.38Solenoid Valve - Accelerated Warm Up System.39Solenoid Valve - Relief 2.40Solenoid Valve - Purge Control.42Solenoid Valve - Turbo Pre Control.43Solenoid Valve - Wastegate Control.44Solenoid Valve - Turbo Control.45Solenoid Valve - Charge Control.46Solenoid Valve - Charge Relief.50Solenoid Valve - Double Throttle Control.51Fuel Pump Relay.54Air Pump Relay.71Injector - Front Secondary.73Injector - Rear Secondary.76Slip Lockup Off Signal.77Torque Reduced Signal.




So your MX3 is fuel injected and the code 3 refers to the distributor.

I hope this helps.

gatertamer 01-01-2013 04:08 PM

thank you those are better than whats in the book...but that cel has been on for several years....I did just unplug the maf meter and it stays idling but when you give it gas it dies sometimes..sometimes not...hopefully im in the right direction

tanprotege 01-01-2013 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by gatertamer (Post 134333)
thank you those are better than whats in the book...but that cel has been on for several years....I did just unplug the maf meter and it stays idling but when you give it gas it dies sometimes..sometimes not...hopefully im in the right direction

That's shooting in the dark isn't it? With out the MAF sensor the computer won't know how much air goes in and it won't be able to calculate the proper amount of fuel. With the light on it is running on closed mode and uses approximate values that are programmed in.
The codes give you an idea where to look for causes, no matter how long the light was on. But the longer the light was on the more likey the catalytic converter is plugged or molten.
You already did a lot of work so it would make sense to do a little more. clean the throttle body and EGR system, clean the MAF sensor and use it!
Check the catalytic converter. there are several methods, Youtube for them. EricTheCarGuy and Briansmobile are good channels.

If the code tells you there is something wrong with the distributor I would check the distributor.

It's yor car, your time and your money.

gatertamer 01-01-2013 08:34 PM

thank you for your input...... have cleaned the throttle body, no cracks in intake boot, no egr valve. cleaned maf, disconnected exhaust at exhaust manifold to bypass converter ...same problem....have tried 3 fuel pumps and 2 pressure regulators...must have good pressure if it stays at idle with maf unplugged. but when you plug it in it only idles for a few seconds...any other suggestions?

gatertamer 01-05-2013 05:18 PM

thanks for the ideas....turned out to be the maf...........still wants to die when you come to a stop if accessories are on or you hit the brake pedal...but at least its running again......

Kevinkpk 01-05-2013 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by gatertamer (Post 134446)
thanks for the ideas....turned out to be the maf...........still wants to die when you come to a stop if accessories are on or you hit the brake pedal...but at least its running again......

If you've not done any inlet modifications, replace it. If it runs better unplugged it is using "old data", and not current as current data from the maf is not valid withing what the pcm is looking at signal wise.


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