RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/23/2007 9:01:06 AM
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CharlottenEddiesdad
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Hi, the pressures that my dealer has recommended after much discussion and testing is 36 all round for normal use.
I suspect if you are off on holiday the car will be heavy laden, so I would pump them up a little over the recommended laden pressure. (don't forget to let them down when the car is back to normal weight)
Happy hols!
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/23/2007 11:25:23 AM
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Dads_Taxi
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Arghhh, I don't believe it. I had a quick glance at my REAR tyres today to make sure they were still wearing nice and even, and the nearside has an almost smooth band on the inside edge, and the offside is showing uneven wear, biased to the inside edge of course. I've just passed 18,500 miles, so I gather I've done better than some of us on the rears.
My replacement front tyres have nearly done 6000 now, and by eye I really can't see any obvious wear problems, however other than change the brand of tyre nothing has been changed so I'm not too hopeful.
Frankly I'm getting very tired of this. (The tyres, not the forum!)
More as it happens...... (and it will)
Dave.
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/23/2007 12:48:02 PM
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LuS1fer
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When I had my four wheel alignment, the really bad rear tyre was way out of camber. The one which was still illegal but not quite as bad was "within limits" but they changed it anyway. I used A&A Tyres in Cardiff who have a very sophisticated computer set-up.
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/23/2007 1:59:16 PM
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Dads_Taxi
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I have previously (several pages back!) (page 7, I just had a look!!) had the 4-wheel line up at Thistlethwaites in Bolton, as recommended by Lythgoe Mazda in Bolton. They had some impressive kit too!
I'm wondering if the specs that Thistlethwaites were given by Mazda UK were the "old" settings, and have since been superceded following investigation. Certainly when Thistlethwaites checked it, the car was virtually spot-on, and now 6 months later I'm suffering with the rears too.
Doh !
< Message edited by Dads_Taxi -- 8/23/2007 2:06:57 PM >
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/26/2007 9:54:35 AM
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mooch
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I spoke to my local Mazda dealer today on the phone because I'm interested in buying a Mazda 5. I mentioned the problem of tyre wear on some models. He said that he was aware of the problem and that it has been attributed to the suspension.
I'm not mechanically minded, so most of what he said went over my head, but if I remember correctly, he said it had something to do with the spring coils in the rear of the car and to fix the problem newly produced cars were being fitted with long arms instead of short arms. Makes no sense to me, but maybe it does to you.
I asked him which models this affected, and he said Sport. I asked specifically if this affect the 1.8 engines or the 2.0 TS2 and he said no, because they have a differently designed suspension.
I asked what would be done for the existing Sport models out there and he said, if they bring the car back and it has the tyre wear problem they will change the tyre format.
I asked if the change to the new models could be applied to the existing models and he said no, the longer arm suspension can only be done in production.
If that makes sense and the gentleman is to be believed then I guess that's not the news you were hoping to hear.
My wife and I like the Mazda 5 enough that we're going to go ahead and test drive the 1.8 petrol, but will be staying clear of the Sport after reading this thread.
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/27/2007 3:31:05 PM
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wazza
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Went to two Mazda dealership. The first one was unaware of any tyre wear issues. The second dealer said it applies to the sport variant of Mazda 5 and there is a mod carried out. He did not say what modifications were. I plan to buy a 1.8TS2 and will see what develops.
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 8/29/2007 11:19:52 AM
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LuS1fer
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Today began with a call from the Mazda dealer that the issue wasn't covered by the warranty. After a number of calls to Mazda UK HQ, the matter was pretty much resolved with an admission they knew about the problem, a slight load of old cobblers about camber being thrown out by road conditions blah blah blah which I quickly scotched and a final indication that the realignment would be paid and the tyres reimbursed pro-rata. Needless to say the dealer blamed Mazda UK and vice versa. I was told that realignment had to be done by a Mazda dealer or under their supervision.
So hopefully a successful resolution to my problem.
As for Mazda, I will never buy another Mazda as long as I live as I'm not keen on being played for a fool. I anticipate chopping in the 5 as soon as practicable. I would rather have less practicality than a company I can't trust with the safety of my children.
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 9/3/2007 11:11:16 AM
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LuS1fer
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Mazda UK have now agreed to pay the full alignment fee of £57.95 and 70% of the cost of the rear tyres based on their average wear matrix. I've accepted but for the piddling difference and as a goodwill gesture, they should have paid for the rear tyres outright because:
(a) the time I spent having the tyres fitted when I wouldn't have had them replaced (and clearly they still had 70% wear even after nearly 22k miles)
(b) the time I spent taking the car to the alignment centre and waiting for them to be aligned
(c) the interest.
Anyway, Mazda will never see my car in part-ex as long as I draw breath so they lose for the sake of a ha'porth of tar. I'll bet they think they've done a splendid job but they haven't because they made the fatal error of treating me like I was an idiot....and I'm not (for clarity there).
Car is a 2005 1.8 TS2 registered Aug 2005 wearing Toyo Tranpath 205/50 x 16s
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 9/3/2007 11:49:08 AM
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CharlottenEddiesdad
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Greetings, I notice your car has the 16" wheels. This puts MMUK's theory of 17" wheels and 'Sports setup' for the wear out of the window!
I have argued since Feb 2006 with my dealer that the car is about as sporty as the badge that says sport. It is after all a large MPV, it is more akin to the SugarPlum Fairy! It is a sports car by name alone. This cannot be blamed for tyre wear!
I also notice that you sport Toyo's, this along with the fact that my second set of tyres were Avons, which wore identically to the Dunlop's!
MMUK are hiding in the dark waiting and hoping that we will all give up and go away.
Many of the '05 Fives will be due for trade in and once the cars are in the second hand market place MMUK will wash their hands of all responsibilty.
I brought the problem of what will happen after the warranty expires, and this Design fault has not been rectified.
My dealer claimed that he would see me right!!!!
We will see.
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RE: Tyre wear on UK Mazda 5 - 9/3/2007 12:01:07 PM
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LuS1fer
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Look, it's a very simple thing - Mazda KNOW there is a problem with the rear camber setting on the 5. There is a TSB dealing with the problem but they have limited the recall to cars within a certain VIN range. My car blows that idea out of the water. A dealer who posts on Pistonheads has admitted Mazda are fully aware of it and he sells them. They have admitted they have reported the problem to the relevant body but they haven't required them to recall the cars. In my view, this is wrong, it is a SERIOUS safety issue.
Tyres have NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on the camber setting. If the wheels are set up to run on the inside tread, they will do so regardless of whether you fit tyres or dustbin lids. It's a simple mechanical adjustment. They may try to BS you about camber being knocked out but whilst this is common on front steered wheels, it is not common on rear wheels which obviously don't steer so have more robust linkages.
Fact: There is a problem
Fact: My TS2 had the problem and the likelihood of it having the problem coincidentally is...NIL.
Go to the Mazda Website. Ring the number on there. Don't take no for an answer. Ask to speak to your area rep. It seems they are mostly women who can argue the toss because they don't know anything about it so argue what they're told. If in doubt ask for the address to serve the summons on them in the small claims court. Don't take no for an answer. Tell them you are going to the Watchdog website to complain and see how that affects their second-hand values. Tell them you no longer feel safe putting children in the car because you think the car is dangerous. Mark my words, it is.
Mine was agreed within about 3 days.
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